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Specs

Definitely not worth even reprimanding Zeise. Allow people to talk this stuff out.

It is an even sadder day when someone who is paid to encourage fresh dialogue is barred from doing it honestly when the issue at hand is politicized.

Partially Impartial

I saw the show. It's a garbage move on the part of KDKA and the Post-Gazette. KDKA throws up softballs like this encouraging heated debate. Paul said nothing derogatory towards women. What is KDKA and the P-G apologizing for? The worst part of this is that both companies love this sort of thing. The P-G needs any kind of PR it can get. That's why they allow their reporters to do these types of shows. KDKA lights the torch, and then runs away. Real nice, guys.

Ed Heath

Mike Tyson is apparently not boxing now, FWIW. And he served three years in jail for raping a woman (not exactly a long sentence, so yeah, parts of the world aren’t fair). Which is why Zeise ‘s statement is actually sort of surreal. Who does he think handles accusations of rape? The NFL? If Michael Vick was indicted on rape charges, and if the trial wasn’t going to occur for a year, would the NFL let him play? I dunno, I’d hope the NFL would handle it the way the dog fighting thing is being handled. But if Vick were convicted on rape charges in a criminal trial, um, whether the NFL suspended him for four games would be the least of his worries, cause he ain’t going back on the field, not for at least 3 (aparently) years.

Jeff Waldman

I can not believe that Mr. Zeise is being punished for a perfectly logical argument. In my opinion he is completely correct. Mr. Zeise never said he condoned rape, but he is correct in saying that the reaction to the dogfighting scandle implies that the rest of the country feels more strongly about dogs fighting and dying than they do about rape. Unfortunately, the reason for that is the fact that we hear about rape almost every single day and we are becoming somewhat desensitized to it. The NFL's current record alone supports that type of thinking. We have become a country more focused on punishing the people who express disgust about a criminal act than we are focused on prosecuting the criminals themselves.

Will Michael Vick be found guilty? I don't know. Did the comissioner do the proper thing for football? Yes! The perception of guilt or innocence is not the issue, what is the issue is that Michael Vick owned the property in which alleged illegal activities occurred. Whether Michael Vick was involved or not his ownership of the land is enough to make it a media circus that the NFL can't afford to have. Suspend him, with pay, pending the trial. If exonerated then welcome him back with praise and open arms, and if found guilty simply write him off as another person who thought they were above the law.

M Elkins

I can't believe the comments that I'm reading! You guys think that what he said is ok? Hmmmm... What he said and what people think he said are always two different things. Women know exactly what he said. I do.....

A woman in Dallas

I would like to put Mr. Zeise on one of Vick's "rape stands" and let HIM know what it is to be pinned down and violated enduring excruiating pain and humiliation. And perhaps all of you above who just don't understand what the fuss is all about should experience that, too. Then you might edit your posts having lived the horror of rape.

P.S. For all you know-it-alls, he was really making a comparision to Kobe Bryant...oh but wait, he (like OJ) was innocent, too. Yeah, they're ALL innocent.

Specs

That is the point. He is trying to say that Vick's crime is not on the level of rape, but he was out of the NFL with no more merch in less than a day: he has not been convicted yet but his career is over. The point was, "why did that not happen to Kobe?" Zeise could have worded it better, but it is really insensitive to accuse someone of being, publicly, a rape SUPPORTER! That is nutty.

Maybe I am wrong and maybe his comments were more callous than I suspect. It will be difficult to ever determine that, since he was fired immediately.

dave

you people who are angry and describing rape need to take some classes in reading comprehension.

good god, you are stupid asses.

the guy never said "rape is o.k" or "i wish he had raped someone instead"

he said, in the public view, he would have taken less backlash if he had raped someone, i.e. PETA wouldnt be parked outside his door.


ignorant individuals are thee.

tex

I know exactly what Paul was trying to state. It is the truth (especially with professional athletes)!! Paul is an outstanding person and father. He amazes me how much he supports womens athletic programs in Pittsburgh. Paul did not say he condoned rape, he merely stated that you get in less trouble raping someone than having a dog-fighting scandle. I think it is not Paul that needs to be looked at it is the court and judicial systems that allows this.

John Morris

Is there a tape- a you tube recording or anything out there? Sorry, I don't have a TV. It would be nice to see exactly what was said. Of hand it seems like a simple statement that is sadly reflected by the facts.

Next time you commit a mass murder--- don't kick the dog. I mean society has it's limits.

Sam M

I didn't actually see it either. But I assuming that the PG ran the right transcript. I might take a look around, though.

By the way, this has probably gotten more hits than anything I have ever posted. Hundreds of hits a day for several days running, from all over the place.

Weird.

John

where is yours or Zeise's evidence that had Vick raped a woman he'd only be suspended for 4 games? 4 game suspensions are usually handed out to NFL players for drug infractions, DUI charges perhaps. Whoever the guy is that was involved in the shooting at a strip club in vegas at the NBA all star weekend got suspended for a whole year. that suspension came while the player was not charged with having been the shooter.

when zeise alledges that vick would have received a mild reprimand for rape charges, that allegation holds no water. you would have to agree that comparing the two is in bad taste. freedom of speech is one thing. zeise's comments mark him as an insensitive moron. i would also apologize for his remarks and, if i could, i would also remove him from my show.

John

where is yours or Zeise's evidence that had Vick raped a woman he'd only be suspended for 4 games? 4 game suspensions are usually handed out to NFL players for drug infractions, DUI charges perhaps. Whoever the guy is that was involved in the shooting at a strip club in vegas at the NBA all star weekend got suspended for a whole year. that suspension came while the player was not charged with having been the shooter.

when zeise alledges that vick would have received a mild reprimand for rape charges, that allegation holds no water. you would have to agree that comparing the two is in bad taste. freedom of speech is one thing. zeise's comments mark him as an insensitive moron. i would also apologize for his remarks and, if i could, i would also remove him from my show.

Harry

John, you just don't get it. The NFL has always been soft on domestic violence and alleged rapes. The fact is, most times the charges never go to trial. Will Patrick Kerney's case go to trial? Look at the number of domestic abuse cases that go virtually unpunished. The message is clear. Society has more respect for their dogs than their mothers, wives, and sisters.

John Morris

From what I can tell, the problem isn't one of making a statement offensive to women or the general public. His problem was offending the NFL.

I will admit that one of the big things in the Vick case and I haven't followed it too closely isn't just that it is a very serious and sick crime that he is accused of but also that the case against him looks pretty bad-- a bit more than just one person's unsupported testamony.

I think in terms of policy, the sport has to take into account 1) the seriousness of the charge 2) how likely the charge is true. Criminal indictment is good enough for me in terms of not letting the person play but the more iron clad the case looks the more one is justified.

Chris Luccy

I support Zeise as well and I think one aspect that hasn't been discussed on here is the court of public opinion (which I think was Zeise's major point).

It's not about charges being brought or possible jail time, it's that the publc is in more of a frenzy about Michael Vick being accused of killing and fighting dogs than they are of other athletes who have been accused of rape. Granted, Vick is pleading guilty now, but when Zeise made the argument, Vick hadn't been proven guilty (just like at when Kobe was accused, he hadn't been proven guilty or innocent). But the outcry against Vick was much more severe.

That said, Zeise brings up a debatable moral point -- which should our public be more upset about? A rape or a dog-fighting ring? Zeise said a rape and he was fired for it.

Bob

Zeise is an arrogant prick who thinks he knows everything about everything. I really hope somebody kicks the shit out of him someday. Not only will it help knock some sense into him, it will only improve his looks.

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